I'm glad that you addressed the missing missing reasons aspect of estrangement. It's bothered me since I read about it a couple years ago, but put into the framework of the ideology that you've uncovered and explained here, it makes so much more sense than before. Thank you for taking the time and having the patience to deep-dive into these forums; whenever I've looked into them, I get nauseous and have to walk away because it seems that the tide keeps rising against us parents. I hope that by exposing and discussing estrangement more openly, as you and others are doing, that the tide will soon begin to recede.
Once again, thank you for connecting the threads. I discovered “Breakaway” about a year ago and realized the cult was much more organized than I knew. Even if my EC are not aware of these sites, I believe their counselors are and have bought into the dogma.
The irony is that forums for the Estranged Parent/Grandparent have members, often anonymous that live in fear that their EAC/EAK might find them on a private forum and that will further (?) solidify NO CONTACT.
Thank you Steven once again for confirming what I thought after the initial frying pan to my head from my adult son. I have read all of your papers. They're brilliant, their spot on. This is a cult of sorts. I now see that my son is not emotionally mature and does not have the ability to regulate himself or his feelings. So it's easier just to spin it and blame me, the only surviving parent. I can't begin to tell you how much this has closed the door for me and i'm okay with that, because I've already buried a child thirty years ago to heart defects, and I am the full time caretaker of our adult Autistic son and I cannot focus on this other child's crazy nonsense anymore. I've had to come to peace with this. Through your writings, Dr. Joshua Coleman's and private therapy. It's out of my hands. He is the one who will someday possibly regret his actions. I hope you and your wife are finding some assemblance of peace and balance.🙏 Non of the parents I've seen in Dr. Coleman's support group deserve this.😥
Hi Amy, Sad to hear what you have been through, but glad you seem to be coming to a place of acceptance for now. I definitely believe a balanced sense of realisim and hope is worth maintaining. Best regards
Cult indoctrination, similar to the Trans cult methodology. Ingroup/outgroup. Those who promote DEI ideas the loudest are the worse hypocrites, they embrace exclusion as a lifestyle, discriminate and condemn personality differences, demand ultimate control over others.
Their ideological purity tests are an attack on culture, making society boring and alienating.
I have never read any wisdom of our shared humanity from those trapped in this cult.
Thank you for your research into these online accounts. To find your personal communications posted—I'm so sorry.
Knowing that these websites basically provided a template for EC responses and behaviour is helpful in that I feel it's not how they might feel or think otherwise (and why), that we all receive the same language and diagnoses, having acceptance for what is, yet radical acceptance leaves me awash in grief feeling the permanence of this situation.
Wow Steven. How painful to read about your family’s situation online in one of these groups. I was reading a post by either WAPO or NYT on a mother whose son rarely calls or visits and certainly not for holidays. Lots of comments from young people placing blame on the mother who must have been emotionally toxic since she is even writing for advice and of course all adding their own “toxic” parents are the same. One even mentioned Issandai.
I'm glad that you addressed the missing missing reasons aspect of estrangement. It's bothered me since I read about it a couple years ago, but put into the framework of the ideology that you've uncovered and explained here, it makes so much more sense than before. Thank you for taking the time and having the patience to deep-dive into these forums; whenever I've looked into them, I get nauseous and have to walk away because it seems that the tide keeps rising against us parents. I hope that by exposing and discussing estrangement more openly, as you and others are doing, that the tide will soon begin to recede.
Once again, thank you for connecting the threads. I discovered “Breakaway” about a year ago and realized the cult was much more organized than I knew. Even if my EC are not aware of these sites, I believe their counselors are and have bought into the dogma.
Yes, there's a whole network aimed at re-framing counselors.
The irony is that forums for the Estranged Parent/Grandparent have members, often anonymous that live in fear that their EAC/EAK might find them on a private forum and that will further (?) solidify NO CONTACT.
Thank you Steven once again for confirming what I thought after the initial frying pan to my head from my adult son. I have read all of your papers. They're brilliant, their spot on. This is a cult of sorts. I now see that my son is not emotionally mature and does not have the ability to regulate himself or his feelings. So it's easier just to spin it and blame me, the only surviving parent. I can't begin to tell you how much this has closed the door for me and i'm okay with that, because I've already buried a child thirty years ago to heart defects, and I am the full time caretaker of our adult Autistic son and I cannot focus on this other child's crazy nonsense anymore. I've had to come to peace with this. Through your writings, Dr. Joshua Coleman's and private therapy. It's out of my hands. He is the one who will someday possibly regret his actions. I hope you and your wife are finding some assemblance of peace and balance.🙏 Non of the parents I've seen in Dr. Coleman's support group deserve this.😥
Hi Amy, Sad to hear what you have been through, but glad you seem to be coming to a place of acceptance for now. I definitely believe a balanced sense of realisim and hope is worth maintaining. Best regards
Cult indoctrination, similar to the Trans cult methodology. Ingroup/outgroup. Those who promote DEI ideas the loudest are the worse hypocrites, they embrace exclusion as a lifestyle, discriminate and condemn personality differences, demand ultimate control over others.
Their ideological purity tests are an attack on culture, making society boring and alienating.
I have never read any wisdom of our shared humanity from those trapped in this cult.
Thank you for your research into these online accounts. To find your personal communications posted—I'm so sorry.
Knowing that these websites basically provided a template for EC responses and behaviour is helpful in that I feel it's not how they might feel or think otherwise (and why), that we all receive the same language and diagnoses, having acceptance for what is, yet radical acceptance leaves me awash in grief feeling the permanence of this situation.
Wow Steven. How painful to read about your family’s situation online in one of these groups. I was reading a post by either WAPO or NYT on a mother whose son rarely calls or visits and certainly not for holidays. Lots of comments from young people placing blame on the mother who must have been emotionally toxic since she is even writing for advice and of course all adding their own “toxic” parents are the same. One even mentioned Issandai.